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Hemotep said:
It's just sad to me that the only three candidates in the Democratic primary who were less progressive than Biden are the two that got positions in his administration and Klobuchar. Even Hillary was more progressive than they are and she was a Republican who worked for Walmart. The party has done so much to make sure that progressive politics can't get an instructional foothold. I hardly think this is the "Far Left." The Dems are not a left party and there is no far left in America. They are a center right party and calling them the left is just playing into the Republican narrative, like saying Biden is a communist. Bernie and the Squad are barely left of center in a global political calculus.
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I am (strongly and seriously) looking into being in NZ by late next year, so was researching their politics out of curiosity recently. The pain to discover that Jaconda Ardern, the PM that instituted wodespread gun reform, a massively successful covid quarantine, openly criticized Israel, and talked at length about the failures of capitalism was actually of their "center left" party. We don't know how bad we have it lol
 
ayayrawn said:
I am (strongly and seriously) looking into being in NZ by late next year, so was researching their politics out of curiosity recently. The pain to discover that Jaconda Ardern, the PM that instituted wodespread gun reform, a massively successful covid quarantine, openly criticized Israel, and talked at length about the failures of capitalism was actually of their "center left" party. We don't know how bad we have it lol
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Good luck to you. It sounds like an epic adventure. Sadly, this human penis is in charge over there currently..
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TenderLovingKiller® said:
I made a point to refer to the Far Left. I don’t confuse the Far Left with Democratic Party. Most of the Far Left hate both parties, some go so far around the bend, like Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald, that they actively work with MAGA and the GOP to take down the Democrats because they feel like the Dems dishonesty is worse than the out in the open bullshit policies that the GOP actively seeks to enact.

The Dems are not a Far Left party but in the two party system that everyone hates, there are only two options, as such the far left will either vote for the Democrats or not vote at all. The Far Left is part of the Democratic Coalition but their chosen candidates rarely win and are rarely happy with the results.
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And I'm making the point that Dem or not there is no Far Left in America. It just doesn't exist. There's a far right, but at most we have a handful of Americans on the left. Even the Communist Party here endorsed Biden and can't even be said to support a leftist agenda. The term itself refers to a very clear set of politics. Greenwald and Taibbi were on the Left in some ways, but they were never close to a far left politically either. And I'm not saying that this is simple semantics. It aligns with ideological beliefs and actions. There was a small element of a Far Left in the 60s and 70s here, but it's been nowhere to be seen in decades, even just as randos posting on the Internet it doesn't exist.
 
Hemotep said:
And I'm making the point that Dem or not there is no Far Left in America. It just doesn't exist. There's a far right, but at most we have a handful of Americans on the left. Even the Communist Party here endorsed Biden and can't even be said to support a leftist agenda. The term itself refers to a very clear set of politics. Greenwald and Taibbi were on the Left in some ways, but they were never close to a far left politically either. And I'm not saying that this is simple semantics. It aligns with ideological beliefs and actions. There was a small element of a Far Left in the 60s and 70s here, but it's been nowhere to be seen in decades, even just as randos posting on the Internet it doesn't exist.
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I completely agree with that. When I refer to the far left I was referring to them in the context of the American political system but I understand what you are saying.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
Good luck to you. It sounds like an epic adventure. Sadly, this human penis is in charge over there currently..
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Christopher Luxon - Wikipedia

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There no escaping shitty conservatives in current state of the world.
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This dude sucks, but even with being an evangelical weirdo, his party has let the NZ abortion vote stand and voiced support for trans people. That's just how bad things are here.

In any case, he's not very popular, and probably won't make it through next election.
 
I have no idea about this. We are in such uncharted territory. I’m so tired of living in unprecedented times. Harris doesn’t seem like a winning top of the ticket to me personally because America is really sexist and really racist. I’d go with Newsom or Pritzker to be honest but I have no idea.
 
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