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KD remains a cupcake peice of shit. Kyrie is the ultimate snake

Best chance the Nuggets have ever had at a title and the worst matchup for us in the whole league added KD. Fuck my life.

Like seriously, KD is such a little bitch. Incapable of leading a team. Has to go to somebody else's title contender where's he's like 3rd on the totem poll in order to win.
 
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So if I'm speaking irrationally ala did I fear you when your team faced mine, were you carrying your team and build a legacy in one place or did your rings come via building super teams / being a mercenary (only within my lifetime):

1) MJ
2) Duncan
3) Kobe
4) Lebron
5) Curry
6) Shaq
7) Dirk
8) KG
9) Wade
10) Nash

If I'm logical and also including talent, stats and impact on the game:
1) MJ
2) Lebron
3) Duncan
4) Curry
5) Kobe
6) Shaq
7) KD
8) Dirk
9) Wade
10) KG or Nash

Side note, I made this list before the KD trade, but have I mentioned KD is a cupcake POS 😂
 
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It’s always wild to me that people legitimately hate KD as if they wouldn’t have done what he did if they were in his shoes. Why would you not want to play for the Warriors if they could afford you and not give up any major pieces? The most fun team in the NBA in terms of play style. And Steph and KD are two of the most players to watch.

And at the same time people think guys like Dame are stupid for staying loyal to a team where he has no legit shot to win a ring. And shit on good players who never win a championship because “ringz erneh”.

Edit: sorry you caught a stray @Rip_City . I love Dame
 
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MikeH said:
It’s always wild to me that people legitimately hate KD as if they wouldn’t have done what he did if they were in his shoes. Why would you not want to play for the Warriors if they could afford you and not give up any major pieces? The most fun team in the NBA in terms of play style. And Steph and KD are two of the most players to watch.

And at the same time people think guys like Dame are stupid for staying loyal to a team where he has no legit shot to win a ring. And shit on good players who never win a championship because “ringz erneh”.

Edit: sorry you caught a stray @Rip_City . I love Dame
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I don't think Dame is stupid. I respect it. I wouldn't make that choice, but I respect it. Meanwhile, I wouldn't have made the KD decaion either AND I disrespect it.

There is also a world's of difference between Dame staying and KD going to the Warriors. He joined a team that was already going to win multiple rings without him. See last year.

And made the playoffs a pointless Cavs v Wairrors enevitability for like 3 years. That's why people hate him. Well that and how un-selfaware he is. That's the only three year window in my life I didn't bother with the NBA playoffs save maybe some of my college years. And even then I was watching the finals.

I like parity. I was really enjoying how unpredictable this season was. And now he's done it again. After failing with his own team. Again.

Granted they need to stay healthy.
 
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I don't think Dame is stupid. I respect it. I wouldn't make that choice, but I respect it. Meanwhile, I wouldn't have made the KD decaion either AND I disrespect it.

There is also a world's of difference between Dame staying and KD going to the Warriors. He joined a team that was already going to win multiple rings without him. See last year.

And made the playoffs a pointless Cavs v Wairrors enevitability for like 3 years. That's why people hate him. Well that and how un-selfaware he is. That's the only three year window in my life I didn't bother with the NBA playoffs save maybe some of my college years. And even then I was watching the finals.

I like parity. I was really enjoying how unpredictable this season was. And now he's done it again. After failing with his own team. Again.

Granted they need to stay healthy.
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I think coronating the Suns even if they stay healthy is getting ahead of things, I think Denver is going to be extremely formidable and I'd take Boston or Milwaukee right now over the Suns even at full strength. The Suns have no bench depth.
 
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I think coronating the Suns even if they stay healthy is getting ahead of things, I think Denver is going to be extremely formidable and I'd take Boston or Milwaukee right now over the Suns even at full strength. The Suns have no bench depth.
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It's partially emotion.

I think Milaukee, IF Middleton is back to his old self, could easily take them down. Holiday on Booker. Giannis on KD. It's just a good matchup for them.

Celts I'd call a coinflip weighted in the Suns favor. Two top 10 players versus one. Depth matters less in the playoffs and they will get some buyout guys.

It's just rough as a Nuggets fan man. Even when Memphis was playing great, they didn't scare me at all. Neither do the Bucks or Celts.

The NBA playoffs are sooo much more about matchups than other sports. And I just think we already matched up against them poorly and now its even worse.

Because while MPJ has made great strides on D and is slowly getting his athleticism back, the latest surgery slowed progress on his handle. So KD will completely shut him down. And they now have 3 elite midrange shooters. Granted one of them is not what he once was.
 
wmeugene said:
I think coronating the Suns even if they stay healthy is getting ahead of things, I think Denver is going to be extremely formidable and I'd take Boston or Milwaukee right now over the Suns even at full strength. The Suns have no bench depth.
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Yeah, I still the the East prevails in the Finals this season regardless.
 
DownIsTheNewUp said:
I don't think Dame is stupid. I respect it. I wouldn't make that choice, but I respect it. Meanwhile, I wouldn't have made the KD decaion either AND I disrespect it.

There is also a world's of difference between Dame staying and KD going to the Warriors. He joined a team that was already going to win multiple rings without him. See last year.

And made the playoffs a pointless Cavs v Wairrors enevitability for like 3 years. That's why people hate him. Well that and how un-selfaware he is. That's the only three year window in my life I didn't bother with the NBA playoffs save maybe some of my college years. And even then I was watching the finals.

I like parity. I was really enjoying how unpredictable this season was. And now he's done it again. After failing with his own team. Again.

Granted they need to stay healthy.
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Blind loyalty like Dame's is something owners dream of. They get to keep a superstar to sell tickets yet don't have to do much to build around them to make an actual contender. I don't blame KD for leaving OKC at all. It's like people expected him to go to a losing team just to try to make the playoffs more interesting. Imagine if KD had stayed in OKC and never won anything--everyone would be saying

I hate to break it to you but the Cavs vs Warriors finals for a few years was probably gonna happen whether or not KD went there. They had a max contract spot open and if not KD, someone else was gonna go sign there. Blame the players union for not agreeing to cap smoothing. The Warriors just made a series of really shrewd moves, drafted insanely well, developed well and had cap flexibility knowing that it was very possible to add a max player that offseason, even if it wasn't KD.

Parity in the NBA never really happens. It's not like March Madness where you regularly get huge upsets or shocking teams winning championships. FIVE teams in in the NBA have won more than 3 championships since 1947. Only a third of the teams have ever won more than 1. Almost half the league has appeared in 2 or less NBA finals since the 1940s.

I don't think the failings in Brooklyn were really KD's fault. Health with all 3 main guys was an issue that mostly couldn't be controlled, and Kyrie's crazy was the other. KD and Kyrie played less than one entire season together (74 regular season games) while being on the same team for 3.5 seasons.

And the Nets traded KD to Phoenix. Being mad at KD about that is silly. I don't blame him for wanting out now for the last few years of his career. Nets had no real path to being a contender anymore after this season, and a large part of that is because of the Harden trade demolishing all their picks and then taking on Ben Simmons' contract. The Nets FO preached culture and accountability and openly bragged about how that got KD and Kyrie to sign with them. Then within the span of 1 year, three all star players demanded trades out of there.

The fun thing is that there is a very real possibility that we see a Mavs x Phoenix playoff series now. Thanks Joe Tsai!
 
KD is one hell of a player and probably the best scorer on the planet. He's just not a leader and proven not to be a franchise guy.

Can't fault him for joining the Warriors when we had room and money for a wing scorer and already had essentially the perfect team to put around him. We were incredible, happy times were had. When the announcement was made I was working at a summer camp, one of the camp directors was checking his phone in the porty-potty and just started screaming. Dude runs out, starts showing people his phone, and forms a giant roaming party at like 10am in the middle of the woods. Great times. When KD hit that 3 in lebrons face in 2017, and did the exact same thing the next year I lost my shit, some of the greatest basketball times in my life. If not for him and Klays injurys in 2019 we would have three-peated.

The problem is he absolutely doesn't know what he wants. He thought he could come to GS and be the #1 guy, which is so absolutely delusional. Steph is the greatest Warrior ever and will be for the forseable future. KD was 1B, and was one hell of a one 1B, to think he could be the sole #1 guy is so ridiculous. I dont know what he really wants. Maybe he's finally accepted and embraced his role as the best #2 of all time, since I don't think Phoenix fans will embrace him above Booker anytime soon. We'll see, I don't know.
 
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DJSJ said:
KD is one hell of a player and probably the best scorer on the planet. He's just not a leader and proven not be a franchise guy.

Can't fault him for joining the Warriors when we had room and money for a wing scorer and already had essentially the perfect team to put around him. We were incredible, happy times were had. When the announcement was made I was working at a summer camp, one of the camp directors was checking his phone in the porty-potty and just started screaming. Dude runs out, starts showing people his phone, and forms a giant roaming party at like 10am in the middle of the woods. When KD hit that 3 in lebrons face in 2017, and did the exact same thing the next year I lost my shit, some of the greatest basketball times in my life. If not for him and Klays injurys in 2019 we would have three-peated.

The problem is he absolutely doesn't know what he wants. He thought he could come to GS and be the #1 guy, which is so absolutely delusional. Steph is the greatest Warrior ever and will be for the forseable future. KD was 1B, and was one hell of a one 1B, to think he could be the sole #1 guy is so ridiculous. I dont know what he really wants. Maybe he's finally accepted and embraced his role as the best #2 of all time, since I don't think Phoenix fans will embrace him above Booker anytime soon. We'll see, I don't know.
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Healthy KD is miles above Booker. Will he be a fan favorite? Maybe not. I'm not sure he saw himself as the #1 necessarily in Golden State, but I definitely think he thought Warriors fans would embrace him a bit more.

I think KD just wants to play basketball, win games and have fun doing it. I can't fault him for that at all. He also didn't really choose Phoenix. I bet there were a few teams he would have been willing to go to. But no team is gonna give up what Phoenix did without knowing that he'll be fine to play there for the foreseeable future.

The Dallas Kyrie trade is a much worse one IMO. Kyrie could very possibly walk this summer. I'm surprised they gave up some good players and depth for Kyrie. Personally don't see them winning the championship this season and don't see them getting any huge FAs. It's another Cuban desperation move to get another star. If I was a betting man, I'd wager Luka demanding a trade in the next 2 years if this blows up.
 
MikeH said:
Blind loyalty like Dame's is something owners dream of. They get to keep a superstar to sell tickets yet don't have to do much to build around them to make an actual contender. I don't blame KD for leaving OKC at all. It's like people expected him to go to a losing team just to try to make the playoffs more interesting. Imagine if KD had stayed in OKC and never won anything--everyone would be saying

I hate to break it to you but the Cavs vs Warriors finals for a few years was probably gonna happen whether or not KD went there. They had a max contract spot open and if not KD, someone else was gonna go sign there. Blame the players union for not agreeing to cap smoothing. The Warriors just made a series of really shrewd moves, drafted insanely well, developed well and had cap flexibility knowing that it was very possible to add a max player that offseason, even if it wasn't KD.

Parity in the NBA never really happens. It's not like March Madness where you regularly get huge upsets or shocking teams winning championships. FIVE teams in in the NBA have won more than 3 championships since 1947. Only a third of the teams have ever won more than 1. Almost half the league has appeared in 2 or less NBA finals since the 1940s.

I don't think the failings in Brooklyn were really KD's fault. Health with all 3 main guys was an issue that mostly couldn't be controlled, and Kyrie's crazy was the other. KD and Kyrie played less than one entire season together (74 regular season games) while being on the same team for 3.5 seasons.

And the Nets traded KD to Phoenix. Being mad at KD about that is silly. I don't blame him for wanting out now for the last few years of his career. Nets had no real path to being a contender anymore after this season, and a large part of that is because of the Harden trade demolishing all their picks and then taking on Ben Simmons' contract. The Nets FO preached culture and accountability and openly bragged about how that got KD and Kyrie to sign with them. Then within the span of 1 year, three all star players demanded trades out of there.

The fun thing is that there is a very real possibility that we see a Mavs x Phoenix playoff series now. Thanks Joe Tsai!
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Not gonna lie. Parts of this felt pretty patronizing. As if I don't know NBA history and the traditional lack of parity.

Up top- I actually felt sorry for how things played out for KD in Brooklyn. Though he did pick Kyrie. But let's not pretend he didn't put the Suns at the top of his list. Because he did. Last summer.

More importantly, even during the Jordan era things didn't feel inevitable most years. (Granted I only saw the 93-97). You had the Shaq / Penny Magic. Barkley and the Suns give them good run. Even that last Jazz series was competitive. And there were no super teams. Same for the Kobe / Gasol and later Spurs years. See the Spurs winning in 14', Dirk leading his team in 11', ext.

Furthermore, the lack of parity really boils down to a couple of glamor franchises who get first pick of everything. Whether that means star FA, role players on discounts, buyouts or guys like Austin Reeves refusing to be drafted so they can go to the Lakers. Even Kobe was a variant of that. And the league has done a solid job of combating that too. RFA. The repeater tax. Ext. Very different than the KD situation,

But it boils down to this, we watch the sport for different reasons. And I come from the view of a die hard fan of a long suffering small-market team. I don't like watching dynasties in general. But I especially have 0 interest in watching a team blast everyone on their way through the playoffs. At that point, I'm not even gonna bother watching the fucking playoffs. And I think it's rad af when players like Dame or Reggie or Dirk or Duncan (though Dirk and Duncan were always contending) form a bond with a small market and want to be lifers. It's moronic that you frame that from an ownership standpoint. How about the fans? The kids that get to watch the entire career of a player. The fans that don't have to have their heart broken when a star player on a really good team (Melo, Lebron, KD) forces his way out to a bigger market.

And I'm certainly not gonna respect a player who wants to be considered top 10 all-time when he joins a 70 win, already won a title team. That's cupcake shit.
 
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