Vinyl Me Please Anthology

TheMythOfSisyphus said:
Most importantly, I’ve learned from this thread that I need this Vinyl Junkies fellow in my life. Like IN in my life. I’m a masochist btw so they pretty much sound like a wet dream to me.
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Just go listen to his YouTube videos. They are the polar opposite of ASMR.

If just listening becomes not enough, watch and take in the brilliance of the consistent fedora/flannel/pajama pants ensemble.
 
duke86fan said:
I'm just saying if they weren't doing jazz where this is almost naturally done (i dunno what 50 dollar rap LPs you are reffering to but that tyler albums on vinyl have always been expensive and limited edition). i feel a better price would have been like 150 or so
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Alchemist's albums have been around $50 on bandcamp lately. There are plenty of $40 rap records too. The Anthology is limited too and way more limited than Tyler's albums (for example, Flower Boy's limited press has 3000+ owners just on discogs). Igor has been on sale for almost a week and is $40. Neither is pressed at RTI (one of the best pressing plants in the world) nor remastered by Kevin Gray (one of the best engineers in the world).

You keep lowering your pricetag on what this should have been priced at haha. At a certain point, it is expensive to get good quality vinyl pressings. I get what you mean--if this had been a non-Jazz, non-Blue Note anthology, then maybe the price point would have been $200 or under. But expecting under $30 per record with the same pressing/remastering is a pipe dream. I'm just saying that similar quality records pressing/remaster-wise are almost all at least $30 per record and often more than that. Prices on even generic records have increased greatly for the past 10 years or so at least.
 
MikeH said:
Alchemist's albums have been around $50 on bandcamp lately. There are plenty of $40 rap records too. The Anthology is limited too and way more limited than Tyler's albums (for example, Flower Boy's limited press has 3000+ owners just on discogs). Igor has been on sale for almost a week and is $40. Neither is pressed at RTI (one of the best pressing plants in the world) nor remastered by Kevin Gray (one of the best engineers in the world).

You keep lowering your pricetag on what this should have been priced at haha. At a certain point, it is expensive to get good quality vinyl pressings. I get what you mean--if this had been a non-Jazz, non-Blue Note anthology, then maybe the price point would have been $200 or under. But expecting under $30 per record with the same pressing/remastering is a pipe dream. I'm just saying that similar quality records pressing/remaster-wise are almost all at least $30 per record and often more than that. Prices on even generic records have increased greatly for the past 10 years or so at least.
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Yeah, but you're buying 6 albums in one payment, so the overall price should be lower than the sum of its parts. We went through this whole argument when Anthology was first announced, and I know you will stand on your ground just like I stand on mine. IMO their product is overpriced, specially when you factor in the fact that they haven't proved their ability to deliver such a premium product.
 
MikeH said:
Alchemist's albums have been around $50 on bandcamp lately. There are plenty of $40 rap records too. The Anthology is limited too and way more limited than Tyler's albums (for example, Flower Boy's limited press has 3000+ owners just on discogs). Igor has been on sale for almost a week and is $40. Neither is pressed at RTI (one of the best pressing plants in the world) nor remastered by Kevin Gray (one of the best engineers in the world).

You keep lowering your pricetag on what this should have been priced at haha. At a certain point, it is expensive to get good quality vinyl pressings. I get what you mean--if this had been a non-Jazz, non-Blue Note anthology, then maybe the price point would have been $200 or under. But expecting under $30 per record with the same pressing/remastering is a pipe dream. I'm just saying that similar quality records pressing/remaster-wise are almost all at least $30 per record and often more than that. Prices on even generic records have increased greatly for the past 10 years or so at least.
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To be fair, there had been some expectations set by their previous Blue Note offerings which were half speed remastered (if memory serves) and 45RPM 2LPs all at $32. I know you fought the good fight irt the pricing before but you have to see why people considered this steep, no? I know these have gone back to analogue sources and are pressed at a more reputable plant but I think we should allow for people to feel a disconnect between the two pricing structures. And, furthermore, just because MM or AP are pricing this way, a comparable product would be required to justify comparable pricing. Nothing wouldn’t be fair but, not much seems comparable so far.
 
MikeH said:
Alchemist's albums have been around $50 on bandcamp lately. There are plenty of $40 rap records too. The Anthology is limited too and way more limited than Tyler's albums (for example, Flower Boy's limited press has 3000+ owners just on discogs). Igor has been on sale for almost a week and is $40. Neither is pressed at RTI (one of the best pressing plants in the world) nor remastered by Kevin Gray (one of the best engineers in the world).

You keep lowering your pricetag on what this should have been priced at haha. At a certain point, it is expensive to get good quality vinyl pressings. I get what you mean--if this had been a non-Jazz, non-Blue Note anthology, then maybe the price point would have been $200 or under. But expecting under $30 per record with the same pressing/remastering is a pipe dream. I'm just saying that similar quality records pressing/remaster-wise are almost all at least $30 per record and often more than that. Prices on even generic records have increased greatly for the past 10 years or so at least.
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maybe i just dont expect the same super high quality mastering that a lot of jazz fans are looking for.. tbh i just want it to sound good

though i havn't seen the alchemist albums but they are all sold out and limited to like 500 copies at most. or knew that igor was already getting vinyl (the one thing i do know is he seems to put a lot of extra stuff and only presses the exact amount preordered, plus its actually 30 dollars for the colored version)

maybe it is just a production based thing... i mostly just like my records to look good on my shelf and sound good when i play them. but i just didn't understand why as a non jazz head
 
Enoch said:
So my whole post was removed and I received this message:
"We built this community for discussion around music, label history, & as a shared space for people who are passionate about jazz."
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I've got some "label history" for you VMP. BlueNote records have never released an LP with a heavily and improperly edited jacket containing completely incorrect information that was scanned from the back of a CD... UNTIL NOW.
 
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oh and btw

if you are asking people to pay almost 40 dollars for a record

they expect something authentic

i legit wouldn't care about this if it was a cheaper release. i would just say "well this sucks but its just another accident the company made, maybe they can fix it later". but when you ask for 38 dollars per album (album, not record, since i seen a ton of indie rock and r&b and stuff around say 25-30 dollars as a double record so it shouldn't increase the price that much), people are gonna want it to be as close to exact as you can, especially when there is another reissue with that same back cover and no incorrect labels
 
duke86fan said:
oh and btw

if you are asking people to pay almost 40 dollars for a record

they expect something authentic

i legit wouldn't care about this if it was a cheaper release. i would just say "well this sucks but its just another accident the company made, maybe they can fix it later". but when you ask for 38 dollars per album (album, not record, since i seen a ton of indie rock and r&b and stuff around say 25-30 dollars as a double record so it shouldn't increase the price that much), people are gonna want it to be as close to exact as you can, especially when there is another reissue with that same back cover and no incorrect labels
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No matter the price, people just want to receive what they paid for. It can be $10, $30 or $5, it doesn't matter.
 
duke86fan said:
oh and btw

if you are asking people to pay almost 40 dollars for a record

they expect something authentic

i legit wouldn't care about this if it was a cheaper release. i would just say "well this sucks but its just another accident the company made, maybe they can fix it later". but when you ask for 38 dollars per album (album, not record, since i seen a ton of indie rock and r&b and stuff around say 25-30 dollars as a double record so it shouldn't increase the price that much), people are gonna want it to be as close to exact as you can, especially when there is another reissue with that same back cover and no incorrect labels
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Fair points. With the screw ups on the jackets, I think $38 per record is steep. I'm just saying with the original expectations and promises, $38 including shipping never seemed exorbitant to me. I have spent money over the years upgrading my audio setup so that the mastering and everything really does matter to me. It's why I buy vinyl--to get an experience different than streaming on Apple Music/Spotify/etc.

The reason why I said $40 on Igor was because that's what it ended up costing with shipping. All those rap LPs always charge insane shipping prices.
 
MikeH said:
The reason why I said $40 on Igor was because that's what it ended up costing with shipping. All those rap LPs always charge insane shipping prices.
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then it should be listed as 30 dollars because the VMP Blue Note anthology was free shipping to members (if you were in the US)
 
agutierrezb said:
Yeah, but you're buying 6 albums in one payment, so the overall price should be lower than the sum of its parts. We went through this whole argument when Anthology was first announced, and I know you will stand on your ground just like I stand on mine. IMO their product is overpriced, specially when you factor in the fact that they haven't proved their ability to deliver such a premium product.
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The VMP x Blue Note records were really premium IMO, so I think they have delivered in the past. I know they have never done a box set like this before though and maybe doing a Blue Note one was too ambitious.

I get your point and theoretically things should be cheaper when buying in bulk like this, but there is a lot of precedence with preorders for box sets/series not being that much cheaper than buying individually. Specifically with jazz and Blue Note, if people bought the subscription type thing to Music Matters when it first came out, you MAYBE saved $1-2 per album by paying for all up front. Same with their SRX. And for the record, I'm not trying to say this was cheap at all and the first batch has disappointed due to the packaging, but I just haven't seen it as a exorbitant when comparing to other reissues that were promising similar things.

@Mr Moore is right though--maybe I'm wrong for trying to compare this to MM/AP/Pure Pleasure/Sam Records since even though they all charge around this price for records, they all have an established track record of delivering extremely high quality products. None of them ever would have blown up a CD cover to put onto a vinyl box set being touted as premium. If the rest of the album sleeves have mess ups like Dexter and Horace did, then I can confidently say that VMP has severely underachieved for the price point.
 
MikeH said:
Alchemist's albums have been around $50 on bandcamp lately. There are plenty of $40 rap records too. The Anthology is limited too and way more limited than Tyler's albums (for example, Flower Boy's limited press has 3000+ owners just on discogs). Igor has been on sale for almost a week and is $40. Neither is pressed at RTI (one of the best pressing plants in the world) nor remastered by Kevin Gray (one of the best engineers in the world).

You keep lowering your pricetag on what this should have been priced at haha. At a certain point, it is expensive to get good quality vinyl pressings. I get what you mean--if this had been a non-Jazz, non-Blue Note anthology, then maybe the price point would have been $200 or under. But expecting under $30 per record with the same pressing/remastering is a pipe dream. I'm just saying that similar quality records pressing/remaster-wise are almost all at least $30 per record and often more than that. Prices on even generic records have increased greatly for the past 10 years or so at least.
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Sure, but then there is also Kanye that released stuff at $15 a pop last year. You can find highs and lows everywhere.
 
Skalap said:
Very interesting post:

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What is this from? I whole heartedly agree with it...price they charged doesn't line up with what they deliver. But then again, it's all from a company whose CEO supposedly said if it doesn't make me money, then I don't want it to be part of our business. They know they can get away with the wrong artwork because we all paid for it already.
 
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