Vinyl Me Please Essentials

jaycee said:
I mean so do you because you seem perfectly willing to justify domestic abuse by saying it isn't as bad as child abuse or whatever or that in a moment where this company says they are supporting black lives and promoting equity in the music industry they press this abuser but refuse to press a black artist accused of the same thing.

Whatever you need to do to feel good about buying it I guess
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There is also a huge distinction between me a singular person owning a few MJ or Cee lo records, and a huge company making one of them an AOTM and extensively promoting and endorsing them
 
@tvham I don't think there is any place here to be defending John Mayer as a person. He is a douchebag. No doubt about that. It's fine to still like the album; you know I do! Just like it's fine to like Thriller or Ryan Adams Heartbreaker, and so on....Some of the shame being put on people for liking the music is bogus though
 
here is how i predict thursday will go

  • we keep talking about how awful john mayer is until 5PM
  • the ROTM is announced and its john mayer, as well as future ROTMs of someone like tom waits or MBV to really get people wanting to continue the next month
  • we have a lengthy debate about how awful a person john mayer is and storfs double standard about letting a white asshole have ROTM but not a black one
  • the people who do like the album might try to defend it with the idea that he has changed in the 10 years since that playboy interview came out
  • this choice becomes a meme in the same way that tennis has become a meme
  • people say we should not buy VMP because bad company and even if its an album you really want its bad
  • people buy it anyway because there is no ethical consumption under capitalism
 
supahypeag said:
Like him or not, Mayer was a big deal in the 2000s. If you want a collection of artists representing a range of music of a particular time period, a Mayer album would fit right in.
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Guess we should prepare for Essential ROTMs from Nickelback, Creed, Lifehouse, Audioslave, The Fray, James Blunt, Jack Johnson, and Three Doors Down.

No wonder they got rid of The Spins™.
 
duke86fan said:
this is going to be a LOOOOOOOOOONG couple of days
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Poor Dukey. Gets shit for hating on Jack White one month, then gets shit on for liking this album
Ericj32 said:
Guess we should prepare for Essential ROTMs from Nickelback, Creed, Lifehouse, Audioslave, The Fray, James Blunt, Jack Johnson, and Three Doors Down.

No wonder they got rid of The Spins™.
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Sleep through the Static could really use a reissue. And at least Jack Johnson is pretty much a saint
 
CrazyDiamond84 said:
@tvham I don't think there is any place here to be defending John Mayer as a person. He is a douchebag. No doubt about that. It's fine to still like the album; you know I do! Just like it's fine to like Thriller or Ryan Adams Heartbreaker, and so on....Some of the shame being out on people for liking the music is bogus though
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Mmmmmmmmm you’ve summed up how I feel! Like yes, a lot of artists’ have committed abusive acts and it’s terrible they’ve done it. However, I still adore a lot of albums that have come from those people and still play it! I still really enjoy R. Kelly’s 12 Play and love listening to all the Miles Davis records I have! I absolutely love Michael Jackson’s Thriller and Off The Wall, love NaS’ Illmatic, love a lot of James Brown’s discography and so on! And I don’t feel bad at all for liking any of their music. But I feel like people would get upset on here if I was to spin R. Kelly’s 12 Play in the “What’s Spinning” thread, as if I should be ashamed of myself for playing/listening to the record!
 
CrazyDiamond84 said:
@tvham I don't think there is any place here to be defending John Mayer as a person. He is a douchebag. No doubt about that. It's fine to still like the album; you know I do! Just like it's fine to like Thriller or Ryan Adams Heartbreaker, and so on....Some of the shame being put on people for liking the music is bogus though
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You know what, you’re right. Looking back at what I wrote it definitely seems as though I’m defending the person, which isn’t right. I guess I was trying to say people could change but it probably was more me defending the pick (which musically, I like) vs the people shitting on it. So for that I apologize.
 
NathanRicaud said:
Mmmmmmmmm you’ve summed up how I feel! Like yes, a lot of artists’ have committed abusive acts and it’s terrible they’ve done it. However, I still adore a lot of albums that have come from those people and still play it! I still really enjoy R. Kelly’s 12 Play and love listening to all the Miles Davis records I have! I absolutely love Michael Jackson’s Thriller and Off The Wall, love NaS’ Illmatic, love a lot of James Brown’s discography and so on! And I don’t feel bad at all for liking any of their music. But I feel like people would get upset on here if I was to spin R. Kelly’s 12 Play in the “What’s Spinning” thread, as if I should be ashamed of myself for playing/listening to the record!
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play your music. there’s nothing wrong with it and no one should feel ashamed about liking what they like. anyone who shamed you for playing what you enjoy sucks. they can not like it but no one should be shaming anyone they don’t share taste with.

instead of just saying ‘yeah VMP is hypocritical’ @tvham decided to try to shame others for owning MJ records by saying that domestic assault isn’t as bad as pedophilia. that’s terrible

the issue here has never been about what people like and don’t like. it’s been about what should qualify as a record to be mass produced by VMP and what the role of the company is and should be with regard to the moral and social values they claim
 
jaycee said:
play your music. there’s nothing wrong with it and no one should feel ashamed about liking what they like. anyone who shamed you for playing what you enjoy sucks. they can not like it but no one should be shaming anyone they don’t share taste with.

instead of just saying ‘yeah VMP is hypocritical’ @tvham decided to try to shame others for owning MJ records by saying that domestic assault isn’t as bad as pedophilia. that’s terrible

the issue here has never been about what people like and don’t like. it’s been about what should qualify as a record to be mass produced by VMP and what the role of the company is and should be with regard to the moral and social values they claim
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Mmmmmmm but @tvham wasn’t shaming anyone for owning any Michael Jackson records! He just said he beforehand looked as if he was defending John Mayer which isn’t right! 💯 Even my comment about Michael Jackson’s discography being better than John Mayer’s was a bit insensitive too! 😅🌧

I think it’s just that a lot of people find Paedophilia very unforgiving, moreso than domestic violence/violence/sexual assault in general. I also agree that both crimes/acts are just as bad as each other, but I’m also very forgiving too, especially if people are genuinely remorseful and can prove they will change/have changed! 👨‍⚖️✅

Yes, John Mayer committed those acts, but should he be forgiven? ⚖️🧐 Maybe if he was truly remorseful, yes? Still, what he did was wrong and we aren’t ignoring it, but we are celebrating the album - the artist, like @tvham implies, not the domestic violence abuser! 💡🎵

R. Kelly on the other hand does not seem remorseful at all for his disgusting behaviour. So, I think VMP would, and should never touch his work! 🖐⚠❌⛔️

I agree so much with your last paragraph though! VMP do seem hypocritical! Like, was the abuse allegations against NaS’ even proven? Like as you said, Storf said VMP will never touch NaS because of those allegations! Why the fuck are VMP doing John Mayer then? That’s super hypocritical! 🤦‍♂️🦅🤨
 
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NathanRicaud said:
I think it’s just that a lot of people find Paedophilia very unforgiving, moreso than domestic violence/violence/sexual assault in general. I also agree that both crimes/acts are just as bad as each other, but I’m also very forgiving too, especially if people are genuinely remorseful and can prove they will change/have changed.
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can we still not say shit about how one thing is considered worse as another

they are all fucking horrible

i do agree with you about the idea of someone becoming remorseful and forgiving, but also this reminds me a lot of how people will defend XXXtentacion as "he was trying to fix things with his charity and shit". i mean showing honest regret for his asshole behavior is better than say rubbing it in our face like a chris brown or even justin bieber.
 
Joe Mac said:
Also we’re not perfect. I’d like more gender and cultural diversity in both the pickers and the picks. We’re mostly white men of a certain age and I think I’m right in saying that there are only 2 women left out of the 32 pickers to go. So if you maybe think you have a different background or perspective to what is in there we’d welcome you with wide open arms!
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strangely my wife also thinks I’m not perfect ....I disagree
 
jaycee said:
John Mayer didn't just say some awful shit. He did some awful shit.

Isn't it hypocritical of VMP to press John Mayer who has been accused of domestic abuse yet refuse to press Nas, according to Storf, due to domestic abuse allegations?

If you still want to buy the record that's fine. I'm not suggesting that the art and artist can't be separated. I still have MJ records in my home, but let's not pass this shit off as the simple ramblings of a self professed douchebag or be willfully ignorant of what promoting this artist means
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Plus, if you buy this album, it wasn't actually created after he apologized or "reformed."
 
jaycee said:
I mean so do you because you seem perfectly willing to justify domestic abuse by saying it isn't as bad as child abuse or whatever or that in a moment where this company says they are supporting black lives and promoting equity in the music industry they press this abuser but refuse to press a black artist accused of the same thing.

Whatever you need to do to feel good about buying it I guess
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Another thing that is going to upset people, yet is absolute fact, is that MJ was never convicted of shit. That's public opinion. John Mayer undeniably did that interview. Plus, you're not exactly trying to convince people they need to "forgive" or listen to MJ or NAS, as if they are overreacting if they are troubled by them.

I'm just getting really tired of hearing white dudes explain how they've forgiven other white dudes for doing things like being racist or abusive toward women. Of course you have. It's not surprising.

Maybe we can get some police officers in here to explain how they've forgiven all the cops caught on video unleashing police brutality onto innocent citizens. Maybe there are some bank CEOs that can let us know to move on from the great recession, because those bankers who continue to fleece the government and American citizens, while getting even more rich, rather than jail time... they seem cool now. They are sorry.

I don't think they understand how little their opinions matter in these cases. If you don't care about Mayer's past, it's definitely relevant and it definitely matters, but only so far as if you still want to buy his albums. It doesn't matter as far as determining whether or not enough time has passed where others shouldn't be bothered by it anymore. No one is tripping if you want to buy it. Just don't act like others are overreacting if they still find issue with it.
 
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NathanRicaud said:
Mmmmmmm but @tvham wasn’t shaming anyone for owning any Michael Jackson records! He just said he beforehand looked as if he was defending John Mayer which isn’t right! Even my comment about Michael Jackson’s discography being better than John Mayer’s was a bit insensitive too!

I think it’s just that a lot of people find Paedophilia very unforgiving, moreso than domestic violence/violence/sexual assault in general. I also agree that both crimes/acts are just as bad as each other, but I’m also very forgiving too, especially if people are genuinely remorseful and can prove they will change/have changed.

Yes, John Mayer committed those acts, but should he be forgiven? Maybe if he was truly remorseful, yes? Still, what he did was wrong and we aren’t ignoring it, but we are celebrating the album - the artist, like @tvham implies, not the domestic violence abuser.

R. Kelly on the other hand does not seem remorseful at all for his disgusting behaviour. So, I think VMP would, and should never touch his work!

I agree so much with your last paragraph though! VMP do seem hypocritical! Like, was the abuse allegations against NaS’ even proven? Like as you said, Storf said VMP will never touch NaS because of those allegations! Why the fuck are VMP doing John Mayer then? That’s super hypocritical!
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No emojis. Not reading this.
 
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