Vinyl Me Please Essentials
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Joe Mac
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I think the combo of a late eve Wind up post arriving to you at 8am doesn’t translate so well
I don't think it’s a joke because:
1. Nathan has a long history of being open about not giving a shit about what artists do so long as he enjoys the music; and
2. He’s not that clever.
Also @NathanRicaud stop with sloppy Joe, NOW! I don’t need weird, offensive pet names from you.
NathanRicaud
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If that’s how you want to view it, ok then!
I do care about the behaviour of artists, but I guess not enough to put me off from enjoying their music. I don’t agree with their actions of course, but I don’t feel bad for enjoying it!
I am clever too! I’m actually very smart!
mudketeer
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jamieanderson1968
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If it makes you feel better, Morrissey has ALWAYS been an asshole.I know Adams is a creep.. but is Morrissey a racist now?That makes me sad.
yukbon
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I know Adams is a creep.. but is Morrissey a racist now?
He's said uh... questionable things let's say, going back to at least the viva hate days. Lately he's been in the news for being ardently and vocally on the side of some far right English groups, on the strength of their "England for the English" anti immigrant stuff.
Rowan
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I kinda wish sometimes I had that attitude... Although would say 'I dont agree with their actions' is underselling it when it comes to someone with a history of repeated offenses against underaged individuals (including kidnap, rape and making child pornography)If that’s how you want to view it, ok then!
I do care about the behaviour of artists, but I guess not enough to put me off from enjoying their music. I don’t agree with their actions of course, but I don’t feel bad for enjoying it!
I am clever too! I’m actually very smart! ☯
wmeugene
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I got Spiritualized yesterday and am very pleased at both the sound and packaging. On my system at least, the sound is great, could hear a lot of detail that I couldn't on Spotify. The packaging feels high quality and the liner notes are updated for this release. This is my favorite Essentials release this year and perhaps ever.
Joe Mac
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I know Adams is a creep.. but is Morrissey a racist now?
He kinda always was, the signs were always there. Bengali in Platforms probably should have been more of a sign than it was taken as, and he fell out with the NME when they called him out for playing up to the National front element of madness’ crowd when supporting them in the early 90s. He then fell out for a second time with NME for giving out about immigration in an interview and bemoaning the loss of the “English Way” in the late 00s. He then called the Chinese a sub-species over their animal rights record and finally he’s been in bed with a far right, islamaphobic, anti immigrant political party in the UK for the last 3 or 4 years.
mudketeer
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I know he's always been a bit of a wanker and has tickets on himself. The other stuff posters have mentioned is really disappointing, I didn't realise he had shitty views when it stems to other races. It's possible to call out a nation for their animal rights abuses without referring to them as a "sub-species", for example.. less possible, probably more a requirement if you don't want to come across as a massive bigot.
Selaws
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Each to their own bud and I understand how people can feel the music being disconnected to the artist, especially if its a song which has sentimental value to you.If that’s how you want to view it, ok then!
I do care about the behaviour of artists, but I guess not enough to put me off from enjoying their music. I don’t agree with their actions of course, but I don’t feel bad for enjoying it!
I am clever too! I’m actually very smart! ☯
Personally the negative actions of a musician outside of their music always leaves a bad taste in my mouth (at the best) which tarnishes their music as a result. Whilst at uni my girlfriend's sister came to stay with us and, being on uni campus, we decided to see if anyone was playing at the local venue. We turned up at the door and bought cheap uni tickets to see.....Lost Prophets. Now I was never a fan of theirs anyway and only knew the 'rooftops' song, but it turned out that it was the last gig they performed before the lead singer was arrested for owning a ton of child porn. Even talking about the gig now makes me feel queasy and certainly tarnished the memory of that weekend.
Rowan
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I saw them back in the early 00's and its definitely one I skip past when talking about former gigs... as I would had I seen R-Kelly at any point.
Now Britney at Manchester Arena in 2000. I'll wear that one loud and proud!
Joe Mac
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I hate to tell you but thats actually by far the least offensive of the things that he was convicted of. His crimes were genuinely disturbing and his attempts to groom new victims, through their mothers, from behind bars shows a really evil shit with no remorse.
NathanRicaud
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mmmmmm I totally get understand you! I've got a question then...Is Miles Davis' discography tarnished due to his abusive behaviour/him being a wife-beater? I am sure you're a massive Miles Davis' fan, so I'm interested to hear your thoughts!
I love Miles Davis so much! He's the artist which I have the most records in my collection! And nearly all of them are MoFi pressings!
Selaws
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Yeah I just couldn't bring myself to write any of it. The guy is scum and I'm glad he's locked away.
Joe Mac
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Yeah I remember reading the trial transcripts at the time and feeling physically sick, I would have owned their first two albums on CD back in the early 00s when I was in uni. It’s definitely something that I couldn’t bring myself to actually type out either, it defies belief what he did. I also remember reading the interviews with the rest of the band afterwards and they were in pure shock, they spoke of how their childhood friend had got deep into addiction and changed as a person to the point that they didn’t feel they knew him anymore but equally didn’t have the foggiest about just what he had involved himself in.
Selaws
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Great example and one that I have mixed feelings about. I've read a lot of Miles Davis biographies and do own a lot of his music. It's true he did beat his wives and to be honest I don't think he was an overly nice person. Everything I have read, including his chunky autobiography, gives me the impression that he wasn't a particularly nice character. His life was also very troubled (drugs, racism, etc), which obviously does not justify his behaviour, but I'm sure accounts for his anger or hatred. I believe he did apologies to his ex-wife in his book, although likely half-heartedly, but I'm not sure that makes up for it.
I know its bad to say it but I suppose the level of the problematic act makes compartmentalising a musician from their music. What the Lost Prophet musician did makes me feel physically sick and over rides my feelings towards the music he produced. Worth mentioning that theres a Miles Davis film starring Don Cheadle which actually includes scenes of him attacking his wife. Pretty controversial at the time, which is crazy as its Davis that did the beating in the first place and to hide it away is surely worse?
Yeah, I like Moz's music alot and don't care that much if an artist is an asshole (Its not like I'm going to become friends with them).
But his behavior in these past years has crossed a line, both towards other races and in his aggressiveness in his animal rights causes. I'll always enjoy The Smiths music and listen to my already owned vinyl. I can't unpay for them and that way I won't give him even a fraction of a cent from streaming.
And if I have the hankering to ever get some solo Moz like Viva Hate, Your Arsenal, or You are the Quarry, Ill buy it used.
Luckily, I've never cared for Ryan Adams. Fuck that guy.
NathanRicaud
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I really love how much you read, especially on jazz artists you listen to! You know so much background information, it's honestly really impressive and actually inspiring too! I want to read more about Miles Davis' and his lifetime as well as I'm sure it would've been very interesting!
ByersVinyl
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I'm happy to post pretty much what I'm thinking (but reign it in) I know my opinions on whether causing offense is a big deal is largely not concurred (especially on here) I could use a good Bill Hicks quote here, but I forget the whole.
Anyhow I applaud your directness, I think your a level above me.