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LiamGallaghersBucketHat said:
For sure. The DNC really fucked him over.
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I said it this morning, but I'll go to my grave believing he would have won in 2016. That said, the pamdemic would have led to inflation and then progressives would be blamed for EVERYTHING right now.

But we'd also have progressives on the Supreme Court so...

And on top of that, the way he was treated sent a bunch of people into Trumps arms and caused them to flee the party.
 
DownIsTheNewUp said:
How so? I don't mind being called a prick, but I certainly don't mean to be condescending. I'm nothing if not sincere.

TLK and I see eye to eye on many, many things whether it be politics or music. Years on this forum have made that clear. It's fine that our anger and grief is aimed in different directions. But it was also clear by the time I made the comment you've quoted that anything I say wasn't going to have impact on his immidiate takeways where as Hemotep's might.

See the fact that I brought up her lack of acknowledgment of the economy and or policy perscriptions and was shot down. But then Hemotep said basically the same thing, more succinctly and eloquently, and it didn't receive any pushback.
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Idk, just how it came off to me. I’m glad you two can debate without taking it personally. I was just in a pissy mood, that may have played a part. My sincerest apologies 😊
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
If you have HBO I would recommend watching the episode of Last Week Tonight from 2 or three weeks ago about immigration it has two main stories the first one is the one you want where he does a deep dive into what mass deportation would look like. Splitting up families, deporting the wrong people, keeping people in camps while waiting for adjudication. Making local police potential violate citizens civil rights to help with arrests. It would also cost a ton of money and severely hurt the economy. Unfortunately I wasn’t able to find a clip of that segment, only the second segment that shits on Lee Greenwood which is much funnier but less informative.
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There was also a 60 Minutes segment on a topic similar to this.

 
Sonicpharmacist said:
A genuine question I have asked as well
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Read Aldous Huxley - Brave New World, the gameplan is pretty much there.

Pass laws that allow police to randomly stop and demand ID. Pass laws to force neignbors to turn in undocumented neighbors. Use access to social media to pinpoint potential targets via surveillence algorithms. Create detention camps for hold and process.

Don't worry, Vlad knows how too. He will help.
 
RHANDMJ said:
Read Aldous Huxley - Brave New World, the gameplan is pretty much there.

Pass laws that allow police to randomly stop and demand ID. Pass laws to force neignbors to turn in undocumented neighbors. Use access to social media to pinpoint potential targets via surveillence algorithms. Create detention camps for hold and process.

Don't worry, Vlad knows how too. He will help.
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Heh I haven’t read that book in years. Funny thing is when I read it, I borrowed it from my ultra-MAGA father in law.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
If you have HBO I would recommend watching the episode of Last Week Tonight from 2 or three weeks ago about immigration it has two main stories the first one is the one you want where he does a deep dive into what mass deportation would look like. Splitting up families, deporting the wrong people, keeping people in camps while waiting for adjudication. Making local police potential violate citizens civil rights to help with arrests. It would also cost a ton of money and severely hurt the economy. Unfortunately I wasn’t able to find a clip of that segment, only the second segment that shits on Lee Greenwood which is much funnier but less informative.
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Canada is feeling pretty attractive for immigration right now though.
 
RenegadeMonster said:


Canada is feeling pretty attractive for immigration right now though.
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As I have said elsewhere, as wide swathes of the United States become uninhabitable over the coming years due to the ignorance on climate, Canada will see mass immigration, not just from America.

Thing is - climate warming is actually kinda nice in Canada. It opens large areas for a more comfortable living climate. Today in Ontario, it is a balmy, sunny fall day. Light overshirt weather. Thirty years ago, there probably would have been snow on the ground.

Canada is largely similar to other western civilized countries:
- Universal health care
- Guns are outlawed
- No political party identification
- Parliamentary democracy
- Fairly non-political judiciary
- Corporate campaign donations banned or limited, dark money criminalized, no Super PAC junk
- Fair taxes on corporations, tax the shit out of oligarchs
- Trump hotels failed years ago, his brand removed
- 'Conservative' still means fiscally responsible
- 'Hate news' faces legal consequences
- Higher education is publicly subsidized and financially accessible
- Beer is not piss water
- People don't go to jail for a baggie of weed
- There is still a wealth gap, but not as extreme as in the U.S.

Yes - that costs more. Taxes are higher. Minimum wages are higher across the board, but professional and executive wages are lower. There are no 100 million CEOs. In many categories, prices can be higher. Gas & electricity are more costly - but the infrastructure isn't falling apart and unreliable.

Is it all perfect and some dream utopia? No, not even close. There are always going to be issues.

I would much rather be in Canada than in the land of the free.
 
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Am I going to become the Black Sheep of the forum if I admit I'm actually excited to see what RFK can do with proper resources?

He has some unconventional stances and is obviously a bit of an odd ball, but I get the sense that he's truly well-intentioned and cares about all American people, and he’s the first person I’ve seen in a position of power wanting to focus on:

• Reducing ultra-processed foods in the American diet
• Removing harmful chemicals, carcinogens, and additives out of American food offerings
• Addressing childhood obesity and diabetes
• Potentially exploring alternative approaches to treating chronic conditions
• Investigating the impact of environmental toxins on public health

If effective, it’s an objective good to come out of a bad situation. Dare I say a good that would be far more impactful for the wellbeing of the American people than most of what I've seen from any sitting president in recent memory?

Bonus: He HATEESSSS Big Pharma and wants to take the fight to them for what they've done to Americans with predatory pharmaceuticals. Also a proponent of stuff like MDMA, ketamine, and psychedelic therapies.
 
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