Political Discussion

RenegadeMonster said:
@Joe Mac, are you good with me moving this to the political thread. A couple people have reported this post so far being in the wrong place and being political.
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Do what you want. I put it here because it’s satirical and I didn’t necessarily want to rub anyone else up the wrong way in an increasingly heated thread whilst tensions were high. I think it’s a sad day when we’re censoring what goes where on a forum like this and reporting an inoffensive post is pretty pathetic.
 
Ghost said:
Am I going to become the Black Sheep of the forum if I admit I'm actually excited to see what RFK can do with proper resources?

He has some unconventional stances and is obviously a bit of an odd ball, but I get the sense that he's truly well-intentioned and cares about all American people, and he’s the first person I’ve seen in a position of power wanting to focus on:

• Reducing ultra-processed foods in the American diet
• Removing harmful chemicals, carcinogens, and additives out of American food offerings
• Addressing childhood obesity and diabetes
• Potentially exploring alternative approaches to treating chronic conditions
• Investigating the impact of environmental toxins on public health

If effective, it’s an objective good to come out of a bad situation. Dare I say a good that would be far more impactful for the wellbeing of the American people than most of what I've seen from any sitting president in recent memory?

Bonus: He HATEESSSS Big Pharma and wants to take the fight to them for what they've done to Americans with predatory pharmaceuticals. Also a proponent of stuff like MDMA, ketamine, and psychedelic therapies.
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His beliefs do not reflect science and people will die from his vaccine mandates.
 
Joe Mac said:
Do what you want. I put it here because it’s satirical and I didn’t necessarily want to rub anyone else up the wrong way in an increasingly heated thread whilst tensions were high. I think it’s a sad day when we’re censoring what goes where on a forum like this and reporting an inoffensive post is pretty pathetic.
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Politics can be a pretty sensitive subject to some. While I agree with you, I also agree that for the people who want a safe space where there is no politics is also am important issue for them.
 
Ghost said:
If effective, it’s an objective good to come out of a bad situation. Dare I say a good that would be far more impactful for the wellbeing of the American people than most of what I've seen from any sitting president in recent memory?
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his stance on vacines is scintifically not sound.
Actually on some of the environmental , pesticide issues,food issues he etc. he has some points that enviromental ngos and proponents of organic farming are pushing as welll I will be interesting to see if trump will let him push this through against the resistance of food and agricultural companies and the farmers lobby
 
Hemotep said:
His beliefs do not reflect science and people will die from his vaccine mandates.
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Jan said:
his stance on vacines is scintifically not sound.
Actually on some of the environmental , pesticide issues,food issues he etc. he has some points that enviromental ngos and proponents of organic farming are pushing as welll I will be interesting to see if trump will let him push this through against the resistance of food and agricultural companies and the farmers lobby
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I'm not seeing anything about RFK wanting to mandate particular vaccines? Can y'all elaborate?

I thought his whole thing was wanting to provide and create more transparency around vaccines so people can be fully aware of potential risks/side effects and not leaving the breadth of research, validation, and safety testing with the drug companies making the vaccines.

But agreed on the food/pesticide issues, I saw yesterday that a leading expert in regenerative farming was tapped to be part of his team, which feels like a promising step in the right direction. The million dollar question is: will Trump actually give him the power he needs or will this be another broken promise of his?
 
Hemotep said:
His beliefs do not reflect science and people will die from his vaccine mandates.
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Exactly, sure some of the things listed are things that may help people live longer and healthier lives but he mixes in a lot of conspiratorial bullshit in to the mix.

Most process foods are bad and unhealthy but they are also cheap and if Trump and his boys are going to slash public safety nets which seems highly likely Doritos and Little Debbie’s are better than nothing.

Raw milk spreads disease and makes people sick. Fluoride is a natural mineral that strengthens teeth. Vaccines protect people from illness.

Most of his theories have very little scientific support and are the things that rich white bored housewives obsess over in between microderm abrasion treatments and cold plunges.

He is also against most anti-depressants and other mental health medications.

He should be hosting a podcast not helping running the country.
 
Ghost said:
I'm not seeing anything about RFK wanting to mandate particular vaccines? Can y'all elaborate?

I thought his whole thing was wanting to provide and create more transparency around vaccines so people can be fully aware of potential risks/side effects and not leaving the breadth of research, validation, and safety testing with the drug companies making the vaccines.

But agreed on the food/pesticide issues, I saw yesterday that a leading expert in regenerative farming was tapped to be part of his team, which feels like a promising step in the right direction. The million dollar question is: will Trump actually give him the power he needs or will this be another broken promise of his?
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It does look as though Joel Salatin of Polyface Farm (who many were introduced to via Michael Pollan's The Omnivore's Dilemma) has been offered a position with the USDA. I agree that this could be a positive, but remain deeply skeptical of RFK Jr.
 
Ghost said:
I'm not seeing anything about RFK wanting to mandate particular vaccines? Can y'all elaborate?

I thought his whole thing was wanting to provide and create more transparency around vaccines so people can be fully aware of potential risks/side effects and not leaving the breadth of research, validation, and safety testing with the drug companies making the vaccines.

But agreed on the food/pesticide issues, I saw yesterday that a leading expert in regenerative farming was tapped to be part of his team, which feels like a promising step in the right direction. The million dollar question is: will Trump actually give him the power he needs or will this be another broken promise of his?
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This feels like you watched a YouTube video promoting his agenda versus actually looking into what he has been promoting over the past 20 years.

It’s crazy Last Week Tonight did a bunch of segments leading up to the election about what a second Trump term would look like. I am beginning to think that post election these are going to prove extra useful in getting Americans up to speed on what we are in store for.

Here is one on what RFK as “Health Czar” would likely mean…
 
RenegadeMonster said:
And he believes that vaccinations should not be mandatory and be the parent's decision as to whether or not vaccinate their children.
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Right. So peoples kids will go to school along side kids who have not been vaccinated against small pox, measles, polio ... and so on.

Just as bad - RFKjr is one of those nutcases who thinks that vaccines cause autism. Just - nuts.

His position on chemicals, pesticides etc. is actually quite sound. many of those are only legal in the U.S. and other third world countries.
 
I have an insta mutual who lives in rural Oregon; they’re a self-described dietician who hawks a lot of semi-to-flat-out-conspiratorial content ranging from a misunderstanding of food handling (“rice becomes poisonous if not eaten immediately”, “peanuts = poison”), to mentions of “kids identifying as cats in school.”

This morning they posted that they breathed a sigh of relief yesterday because they knew RFK jr would “get to work immediately.” I’ve kept my thoughts to myself, though I’m a bit nervous about my civility the next time we stay at their ranch.
 
TenderLovingKiller® said:
This feels like you watched a YouTube video promoting his agenda versus actually looking into what he has been promoting over the past 20 years.

It’s crazy Last Week Tonight did a bunch of segments leading up to the election about what a second Trump term would look like. I am beginning to think that post election these are going to prove extra useful in getting Americans up to speed on what we are in store for.

Here is one on what RFK as “Health Czar” would likely mean…
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Gave this a watch! Thanks for sharing

Definitely misunderstood his historical stance with vaccines and desired state of vaccines in America! That definitely can be cause for concern. Wonder where Trump aligns with him on that stuff? Do we know if he'd give him reign to remove mandatory child vaccines?

Definitely still bullish on the overhaul of the American food system though. That's something this country desperately needs. To me living longer and healthier is one positive outcome of a better food system, but the real positive comes from the mental health gains that come from not poisoning yourself day after with food that robs you of your clarity, energy, and health. I think everyone is a better version of themselves when they have proper nutrition.
 
So the dem party is done right? This is probably the most catastrophic failure by a major party worldwide in memory. Can we get an actual opposition party now pls? Clearly offering business as usual and inching rightward and befriending some of the most unpopular conservatives in the country doesn't work, so can we get a party that's actually going to do something, and then not shrug their shoulders when they botch a layup again?
 
Ghost said:
Gave this a watch! Thanks for sharing

Definitely misunderstood his historical stance with vaccines and desired state of vaccines in America! That definitely can be cause for concern. Wonder where Trump aligns with him on that stuff? Do we know if he'd give him reign to remove mandatory child vaccines?

Definitely still bullish on the overhaul of the American food system though. That's something this country desperately needs. To me living longer and healthier is one positive outcome of a better food system, but the real positive comes from the mental health gains that come from not poisoning yourself day after with food that robs you of your clarity, energy, and health. I think everyone is a better version of themselves when they have proper nutrition.
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Trump doesn’t give a shit about it unless it affects him personally. My greatest hope is that the other symphony’s he surrounds himself with are against some of Kennedy more liberal stances that they manage to push him out. Their whole relationship is based on a quip pro quo that Kennedy would endorse Trump and then Trum will hand over the Dept. Of Health to Kennedy but Trump isn’t good at paying back debts so now that he has no need for RFK Jr. I would be surprised if he cuts him loose. Though, I think he does like having a Kennedy on his team even if it is just the weird one.

We’ll see.
 
Hemotep said:
His beliefs do not reflect science and people will die from his vaccine mandates.
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Correct. But Ghost is also correct about everything they mention.

And I say this as somebody who deals with chronic epstein barr (which has now been linked as the main cause of MS) and is eagerly awaiting the 2 vaccines that are in the works... but also spent 10 years trying to get a diagnosis and dealing with bullshit "treatments". Only to then find that acupuncture and removing gluten life changing. And no I'm not celiac. I am also currently paying 90$ a month for accupuncture because my new insurance considering it pseudo-science. And that's with me being lucky and having a clinic that does group treatments at a heavy discount.

Also, as somebody that works in the CPG side of the food industry. Our food is fuuuuucked. Of note, I didn't have issues with gluten when traveling in Vietnam and Thailand... which are cut off from Western food production.

So as far as I'm concerned, it's gonna depend on how the vaccine stuff is dealt with. If his goal is more research on vaccines before approval than fine. If it's removing vaccine requirements from kids in school and removing scientists from the head of the FDA... it's gonna be a disaster.
 
ayayrawn said:
So the dem party is done right? This is probably the most catastrophic failure by a major party worldwide in memory. Can we get an actual opposition party now pls? Clearly business as usual and inching rightward and befriending some of the most unpopular conservatives in the country doesn't work, so can we get a party that's actually going to do something, and then not shrug their shoulders when they botch a layup again?
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They have said that so many times. I will beleive it when I see it. The GOP was in control of the government for 12 years straight between Regan and Bush Sr. and managed to stay regain control though we did see the rise of Ross Perot, the only Third Party Candidate to really matter since Teddy Roosevelt or William Jennings Bryant.

So maybe you will see another billionaire self fund a third party grass roots campaign.

Who knows what the future holds.
 
DownIsTheNewUp said:
Correct. But Ghost is also correct about everything they mention.

And I say this as somebody who deals with chronic epstein barr (which has now been linked as the main cause of MS) and is eagerly awaiting the 2 vaccines that are in the works... but also spent 10 years trying to get a diagnosis and dealing with bullshit "treatments". Only to then find that acupuncture and removing gluten life changing. And no I'm not celiac. I am also currently paying 90$ a month for accupuncture because my new insurance considering it pseudo-science. And that's with me being lucky and having a clinic that does group treatments at a heavy discount.

Also, as somebody that works in the CPG side of the food industry. Our food is fuuuuucked. Of note, I didn't have issues with gluten when traveling in Vietnam and Thailand... which are cut off from Western food production.

So as far as I'm concerned, it's gonna depend on how the vaccine stuff is dealt with. If his goal is more research on vaccines before approval than fine. If it's removing vaccine requirements from kids in school and removing scientists from the head of the FDA... it's gonna be a disaster.
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He doesn’t want to research vaccines not on the market, he wants to research the ones that are already out there with long histories of proven effectiveness like the measles vaccine.
 
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