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Really like this quote

“Since I started covering politics in 2007, I’ve seen the Republican Party declared dead (2008), the Republican Party declared dead (2016, after nominating Trump), the Democratic Party declared dead (2016, after Trump won), the Republican Party declared dead (2020), and now the Democratic Party declared dead (2024). Maybe this one will last. Probably not.”
 
Really like this quote

“Since I started covering politics in 2007, I’ve seen the Republican Party declared dead (2008), the Republican Party declared dead (2016, after nominating Trump), the Democratic Party declared dead (2016, after Trump won), the Republican Party declared dead (2020), and now the Democratic Party declared dead (2024). Maybe this one will last. Probably not.”
If they both died I don't think i would shed a tear
 
Here is a strong possibility at attorney general.

This is the stuff I am gonna try to cut out off my life for the foreseeable future. I am gonna attempt to ignore the noise and only worry about stuff when I have to. This guy is likely a piece of shit and would be a terrible AG but I am sure there are several other POS potential AG’s on a list too and until he is working as the AG and doing shitty things that’s when I will worry. I just can’t spend the next 4 years over analyzing these dip shits and their potential/actual terribleness especially when we have so little recourse at this point to actually change things.
 
I’ve moved this response from there to here because people…

I didn’t report it (I’ve never reported anything other than spam posts in my entire life) but I also chose not to engage with it because I had hoped it would not trigger a long political discussions in this thread. I don’t mind going back and forth about this sort of thing over in the Political thread but here, especially while many are still coping with the aftermath, feels like it could have become more of a political conversation on a thread where many might be conversing in an attempt to avoid such things.

Satire is more appreciated as such when the nerves are a little less raw.

Satire doesn’t work after the fact. It needs to be contemporaneous and raw otherwise it can’t properly deal with uncomfortable truths.

I am not the culprit, but we have to be mindful of people wanting safe spaces and not necessarily being willing to speak up about it.

Someone like @Joe Mac i would either reach out to him by pm or duke it out if I found it truly offensive.

There are others around here I just have to use the ignore feature on every once in a while.

Did it make you bristle because it was in the cafe or because it’s basically pointing out something that me and you have repeatedly disagreed on throughout the last couple of weeks?
 
RE: the conversation earlier

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I am tired of relitigating 2020 and 2016. It’s not a surprise that a Dem Stooge like Shift felt that way and it turns out he was right, Biden beat Sanders and Trump. We will never know how Sanders would have fared against Trump (I think quite well but it’s all conjecture) The Democratic Party is a big tent party and Sanders chose to run for the Democratic nomination.
 
I’ve moved this response from there to here because people…



Satire doesn’t work after the fact. It needs to be contemporaneous and raw otherwise it can’t properly deal with uncomfortable truths.



Did it make you bristle because it was in the cafe or because it’s basically pointing out something that me and you have repeatedly disagreed on throughout the last couple of weeks?
I don’t remember spending a lot of time talking about the blame game which is what I really remember of the post to be honest. I don’t remember exactly why but I do know that it was a good motivator to just step away from even here for the time being.

Like I said if it had truly offended me, I would have reached out to you or just had the argument then. It didn’t but it rubbed me the wrong way and made me realize my head wasn’t in a great spot yet.
 
I don’t remember spending a lot of time talking about the blame game which is what I really remember of the post to be honest. I don’t remember exactly why but I do know that it was a good motivator to just step away from even here for the time being.

Like I said if it had truly offended me, I would have reached out to you or just had the argument then. It didn’t but it rubbed me the wrong way and made me realize my head wasn’t in a great spot yet.

I think it’s more that a lot of what was satirically apportioned as blame was criticisms I was making of the campaign and questions I felt needed to be asked even if they won.
 
I think it’s more that a lot of what was satirically apportioned as blame was criticisms I was making of the campaign and questions I felt needed to be asked even if they won.
That’s possible and really all of that is a moot point now anyhow. Now we have to deal with Orange fuck for four more years. I hope some resolution to both wars happens before that fuckwit has real say in it.
 
That’s possible and really all of that is a moot point now anyhow. Now we have to deal with Orange fuck for four more years. I hope some resolution to both wars happens before that fuckwit has real say in it.

I think Israel would keep on doing regardless of who your incumbent was because I think neither was willing to do what was necessary. Ukraine is fucked.
 
I realized last night that one of the things thats been bothering me, especially now, is the decorum of previous presidents / candidates to retire to the background after the election - other than being trotted out every election cycle. Trump has obviously ignored that to his advantage and 8 straight years of campaigning / slinging enough shit at the fan that people stopped ducking. If Kamala (or whoever) wants to lead the country, they should continue to lead the party and be a voice of resistance right away, especially now. Immediate reminders that things will be publicly fought, even if its a losing battle, would go a long way.
 
I think it’s more that a lot of what was satirically apportioned as blame was criticisms I was making of the campaign and questions I felt needed to be asked even if they won.
All fair and valid but we have a dedicated sub to ask those questions. People in the Cafe aren’t necessarily there for that discourse. It doesn’t bother me personally but I have been posting up a storm in the politics thread I am gonna assume at least one or two folks in the Cafe are not there for that debate.
 
All fair and valid but we have a dedicated sub to ask those questions. People in the Cafe aren’t necessarily there for that discourse. It doesn’t bother me personally but I have been posting up a storm in the politics thread I am gonna assume at least one or two folks in the Cafe are not there for that debate.

Yeah look I said why I posted it there, maybe people disagree, that’s fine, I’m fucking enraged at people reporting it, it’s pathetic, especially given how fluid discussion is on everything across the forum.
 
Am I going to become the Black Sheep of the forum if I admit I'm actually excited to see what RFK can do with proper resources?

He has some unconventional stances and is obviously a bit of an odd ball, but I get the sense that he's truly well-intentioned and cares about all American people, and he’s the first person I’ve seen in a position of power wanting to focus on:

• Reducing ultra-processed foods in the American diet
• Removing harmful chemicals, carcinogens, and additives out of American food offerings
• Addressing childhood obesity and diabetes
• Potentially exploring alternative approaches to treating chronic conditions
• Investigating the impact of environmental toxins on public health

If effective, it’s an objective good to come out of a bad situation. Dare I say a good that would be far more impactful for the wellbeing of the American people than most of what I've seen from any sitting president in recent memory?

Bonus: He HATEESSSS Big Pharma and wants to take the fight to them for what they've done to Americans with predatory pharmaceuticals. Also a proponent of stuff like MDMA, ketamine, and psychedelic therapies.
not to disparage your enthusiasm at the possibilities, but the reason his ideas haven't been done before is the same reason that a child's "AND THEN I WILL GO TO MOON IN MY SPACE CAR" plan doesn't work: that's not how the real world works. Let's take your last one: the best way to counter big pharma is to cut their legs out from under them, which means legislation to limit financial gain and/or single-payer health care. At the risk of pointing out the obvious, Trump had 4 years to get a healthcare plan in order and did less than nothing. Just recently was asked about it again and he's got the concepts of a plan. If I had a shiny new quarter to bet with, and were I a betting man, I would bet that in another 4 years there will in fact not be any substantive change in healthcare in the US.

Speaking of healthcare and Diabetes, trump's track record is.....shitty? spotty. let's call it spotty. https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/the-facts-about-the-35-insulin-copay-cap-in-medicare/ :

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removing ultra processed or harmful chemicals etc requires basically legislation and regulation to do it, which the republican party has been loathe to do because they want to be the party of small government and basically you have have a small government or you have have a regulatory body that enforces food standards, but you can't have both. I'm glad you want to see if some good comes out of this but I got to point out the obvious: that's not their track record and what he says he'll do are things are largely 'un-doable' without a real sea change in philosophy and principles.
 
I am tired of relitigating 2020 and 2016. It’s not a surprise that a Dem Stooge like Shift felt that way and it turns out he was right, Biden beat Sanders and Trump. We will never know how Sanders would have fared against Trump (I think quite well but it’s all conjecture) The Democratic Party is a big tent party and Sanders chose to run for the Democratic nomination.
I don't think progressivism was going to save this thing from Trump. 2016 was already played by Trump as liberalism=socialism. Look at how AOC was attacked when she was first starting out. Supposedly the "Kamala is for they/them, Trump is for we" ads played really well as did plenty of anti-trans ads this cycle. Any tilt to the left was going to be easily attacked when you have people ingesting right wing bile all day online. I'm sadly of the mindset that perhaps things need to get worse for whole segments of our society so people will wake up and realize just how played we've all been by corporations and oligarchs. Maybe things getting worse will break the cycle but I'm not very hopeful given now that side has absolutely no restrictions placed on them and have been totally vindicated in their actions by the election results.
 
So the dem party is done right? This is probably the most catastrophic failure by a major party worldwide in memory. Can we get an actual opposition party now pls? Clearly offering business as usual and inching rightward and befriending some of the most unpopular conservatives in the country doesn't work, so can we get a party that's actually going to do something, and then not shrug their shoulders when they botch a layup again?
very unlikely, not only would establishment democrats fight tooth and nail against it but also the republican party would likely fight to keep the status quo.
 
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