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I think it’s for the best TBH, Trump is going to lose since, theoretically; if they were to uphold his immunity claim, Biden could have all the conservative Supreme Court justices murdered on his way out of office if he so chose and would not be held accountable. It’s should be early enough that these cases should be still be able to move forward without much delay.

If the courts chose not to rule this sort of thing could continue to pop up. This should end it for now.
 
I think it’s for the best TBH, Trump is going to lose since, theoretically; if they were to uphold his immunity claim, Biden could have all the conservative Supreme Court justices murdered on his way out of office if he so chose and would not be held accountable. It’s should be early enough that these cases should be still be able to move forward without much delay.

If the courts chose not to rule this sort of thing could continue to pop up. This should end it for now.

Oh, I absolutely agree on that count. But to take 2 weeks just to announce they're going to take it up with no dissents basically plays as "tell me most of you are beholden to Trump without telling me most of you are beholden to Trump." They clearly recognize the seriousness of the matter and I just can't believe they're dense enough not to see the urgency of the matter as well -- so this drag-ass delay in announcing they'll take the matter up, as well as the hearing being set for 2 months from now plays directly into helping Trump run the clock without having to officially take a stance, yet.

It's not surprising, but it's fucked.
 
Oh, I absolutely agree on that count. But to take 2 weeks just to announce they're going to take it up with no dissents basically plays as "tell me most of you are beholden to Trump without telling me most of you are beholden to Trump." They clearly recognize the seriousness of the matter and I just can't believe they're dense enough not to see the urgency of the matter as well -- so this drag-ass delay in announcing they'll take the matter up, as well as the hearing being set for 2 months from now plays directly into helping Trump run the clock without having to officially take a stance, yet.

It's not surprising, but it's fucked.
Yeah, it’s more BS stall tactics but let’s be honest, none of these cases were ever going to be settled before the election. This fucker was always gonna delay and stall past Election Day. Trump is pretty fucked financially already due to the NY ruling hopefully he loses in November and get convicted criminally too.
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I understand the uncommitted vote and support the message being sent. I also think those who care that much about the Palestine -Israel situation know if Trump was President the situation would be infinitely worse.

I guess I was just conflating the 2 things after hearing a story about how critical undecided voters are.
Buddy, how much worse could it be? 30,000+ Palestinians dead, Israeli soldiers proudly broadcasting their war crimes on TikTok, funding for aid suspended by almost every western nation, Israeli civilians blocking aid trucks from getting in, almost all infrastructure destroyed, journalists and academics systematically assassinated along with their families, soldiers shooting medical workers and patients inside and outside of hospitals, and 2 million displaced and on the brink of starvation, while the U.S. denies it all and vetoes every U.N. Security Council motion trying to get a ceasefire.
 
Buddy, how much worse could it be? 30,000+ Palestinians dead, Israeli soldiers proudly broadcasting their war crimes on TikTok, funding for aid suspended by almost every western nation, Israeli civilians blocking aid trucks from getting in, almost all infrastructure destroyed, journalists and academics systematically assassinated along with their families, soldiers shooting medical workers and patients inside and outside of hospitals, and 2 million displaced and on the brink of starvation, while the U.S. denies it all and vetoes every U.N. Security Council motion trying to get a ceasefire.
Sadly, it can almost always get worse.
 
Buddy, how much worse could it be? 30,000+ Palestinians dead, Israeli soldiers proudly broadcasting their war crimes on TikTok, funding for aid suspended by almost every western nation, Israeli civilians blocking aid trucks from getting in, almost all infrastructure destroyed, journalists and academics systematically assassinated along with their families, soldiers shooting medical workers and patients inside and outside of hospitals, and 2 million displaced and on the brink of starvation, while the U.S. denies it all and vetoes every U.N. Security Council motion trying to get a ceasefire.
It could be much worse. Not only for the Palestinians, but Ukraine, Muslims in the US, anyone who has opposed DJT to date. I could go on.

The Israel issue is tough. The US needs to support its ally, but unfortunately that said ally is also controlled by a sociopath who is clinging to power in order to stay out of jail. Sound familiar. Netenyahu benefits from the chaos and killing on both sides.

Biden administrations position will change if Israel doesn’t stop what it’s doing. The situation is delicate. If US came out strong against Israel to start it might have encouraged others in the area to act against Israel. Not to mention be really hypocritical given the US reaction to 9/11.
 
I think that while one party is completely floundering/off the deep end while the other is incompetent is a great time to discuss policy/theory.
I love a good policy discussion. So much so that I have a Master’s degree in the topic. That said, while the Democratic Party is not perfect, far from it, it’s not incompetent. It struggles to please a diverse constituency and an overall fickle public.
 
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Swap those numbers. Worse.

Do you think Biden will make any serious attempt to stop the Rafah offensive or the continuing creep into the West Bank. The attack Israel is proposing on Rafah is a horrific abuse of power and will be a a catastrophe.

Israel certainly hasn’t seemed put off by his mild warnings and massive funding so far.
 
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So, cars made in China are a national security risk?
it’s not the cars so much as tech used to control the cars. It’s a reasonable concern. TBH, The government should be just as concerned about needy Alt Right adjacent South Africans with a messiah complex that also have unchecked control of the tech used in cars (and more concerning) satellites.
 

I saw this article being discussed elsewhere and one common theme I saw from Boomers was that Gen Z is going to get a serious wake up call. And this mindset in the work place is only going to get them fired and hopefully they will learn.

Many went on to post about how their employers have fired Gen Z people over posts on social media calling out their employer for prioritizing profits over what is right and ethical.

I strongly believe in what Gen Z is trying to do and bring attention too. I wonder if it will help bring about change or just lead to more frequent job changes for Gen Z?
 
I don't know.

I was in a mood last night, had a bit too much to drink, and shouldn't have mouthed off the way I did. My point isn't to diminish the gravity of the situation. It's a horrific nightmare. At the same time, I think the human capacity for depravity is only outmatched by our creativity. There are, I believe, no limits to the suffering we can inflict on each other. That's why I bristle a bit at statements that there's no scenario that could be worse than the one we're in, because (I believe) that sentiment counterintuitively makes people manufacture even worse scenarios in their minds and start down the path of thinking that, well, relative to this other imaginary outcome, what's happening isn't as bad.

But clearly, it's very bad. We don't have to affix any superlatives to it to agree on that point.

The Israel problem must be reckoned with. But I'm not confident that history will look kindly on us if, having withdrawn our support from an ally to whom we made a promise, their adversaries eliminate them. History may not look kindly on us no matter what we do at this point.

I think there are likely hundreds of factors at play for why the US is on this path. I don't think that a lust for genocide is among them, personally. What I would like to believe is that this is a situation in which people with more strategic vision than me have concluded that there are no 'good' choices now that do not result in outcomes that are even worse. Worse for whom, and worse how? Valid questions.

I'm not a game theorist, or a Middle East policy expert. I just want to be clear that my thoughts about why my country's leaders are continuing to let this happen are not an attempt to justify it, but to understand it.

Perhaps. But it does feel like every option we, as combined western nations, over the last hundred years has made this situation worse. We’ve allowed white European settlers to invade and take over a Arab nation based on biblical text and supported it based on guilt and wanting a sphere of influence in that geographical area to the point where there is an effective theocracy which seems to continually strive to wipe out their neighbours by a combination of creeping illegal settlement and military might. Then out of the other sides of our mouths we then severely criticise and crucify the desperate Palestinian for all acts of violence in opposition to this and exacerbate this by legitimising massive military action in response to it.

As someone living in the country I do this all feels depressingly familiar and wrong.
 
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